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First Impressions: What Chinese Netizens Think of Other Countries (Part 2)

Feb 02, 2012By eChinacities.com   
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1Pete Cowell :

This article refers to British culture as though the entire country was an "England" plucked straight out of the constipated works of Charles Dickens, Jane Austen and possibly the Bronte sisters.

Don't forget that Britain is comprised of four countries, and while British imperialism was certainly a regrettably hideous feature of the past, modern Britain is a hugely vibrant place with several native languages that include Scottish Gaelic, Welsh, Manx, Cornish, Ulster Scots and Irish.

Of course, there are many other languages spoken today that reflect the communities that live in the UK, including Urdu, Hindi and Polish, and I am proud that these languages reflect the multiculturalism of Britain's communities.

The idea that it is a land dominated by fox hunting Tory wankers is an unfortunate reflection on how the UK is projected to the rest of the world.

However, I would argue that China's self-imposed lingua franca has created a palimpsest of decaying regional languages that are eroding at a far higher rate than anything in Britain.

If you wish to discuss cultural imperialism, have a good long look at China.


ReplyFeb 02, 2012 01:27
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2JD:

FFS sensitive Pete, why so serious?

Ask the Brits in the UK what their first impression are of China and Chinese, and laugh at them when they respond with kung fu, noodles and Mao.

ReplyFeb 02, 2012 10:12
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3jixiang:

Most dialects of English in England itslef have already dissapeared, all that remains are different accents and a few regional words and expressions. Gaelic in Scotland is also close to extinction. Chinese dialects are far more vibrant than many British ones, so I wouldn't get superior.

ReplyFeb 02, 2012 10:26
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4RG:

Why the anger?

As an Englishman, you should be glad that these ignorant chinese only have a filtered view of British "culture" based on their limited exposure and understanding of all things foreign.

If it was me, rampant moral and public decay i.e. vandalism, high single motherhood and abortion, rampant casual sex, high unemployment, unskilled workers, high level of incompatible immigrant, districts out of bounds for police, low moral police force, low trust in government. Decaying public transport (how old is the tube with its inconsistent blackout still???)

Police state with the highest CCTV per citizen in the world, property bubble, newspaper wire tappings scandals, economic stagnant, corruption scandals, war of invasion in other countries.

Basically, Britain has turned into a country for international students (who didnt know better). tourists to the museum full of artifacts pillaged from ancient and other civilizations and last minute 5 pound tickets to watch musicals.

And you dare to critize other country? Take a good look at your own country before shooting off your mouth

ReplyFeb 02, 2012 11:02
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5Mr Burns:

Sad though it is, 'UK' and 'England' are basically synonymous in the minds of everyone who isn't actually from the Isles. Even some - and I stress some - highly educated Americans I've met are a little embarrassed when I have to explain that England does not = UK, but that England Scotland Wales Northern Ireland = the United Kingdom. It's a common misconception.

When most non-Brits say UK, they mean England. Reading the article itself, I'm pretty sure that's what the Chinese population is referencing. Ask them about Scotland for example and I'm sure they'll have a whole different bunch of impressions: "gentleman" is almost always applied in the sense of "English Gentleman," and "Conservatives" (Tory wankers if you will) are basically a dead party outside of England.

These stereotypes are about the English, however wrong or right they may be.

JD: Alas yes, a lot of people in the UK are very dumb. A lot of people aren't, but stupid polls like this seem to cater to the lowest denominator, in China as well as back home.

jixiang: Gaelic is not close to extinction, nor are Manx, Cornish and Welsh. They're small sure: but you'll have people asking you to step outside for a quick introduction to the finer points of the word 'extinction' if you bandied a statement like that around in Anglesey/Cornwall/the Highlands, etc.

Also, compare the recent charming Chinese professor (google: "New York Times One Country, Two Systems: Not Lately") who deemed Cantonese "not a language, but a mere dialect" and Hong Kong people as 'dogs.' It seem there's a wee bit more discord over here than over there, so if I were you I wouldn't get superior either.

RG: "...dare to critize other country" ? Suuuuuure. This is what eChinacities is FOR: comparing and contrasting cultures. And then bashing them. This site has seen far worse. Mr Cowell, if he is as Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish as I suspect, is only making the point that it's a bit harsh to be tarred by someone else's brush just because they can't get their definitions right.

Phew. To finish, is it just me or did the Germans win this one...?

ReplyFeb 02, 2012 13:00
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6england till i die:

yes UK is all about England, because the other three have not brought anything meaningful to the British Cultural table- do football managers count?

ReplyFeb 02, 2012 13:44
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7Lajiao:

@ England til I spew.

You really are a half-wit ponce. Go and do some research before your mother reads your drivel and becomes even further disappointed.

* HINT (cos I know you need it) 'Ness of Brodgar'

ReplyFeb 02, 2012 23:29
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8jixiang:

It says on Wikipedia that the last native speaker of Manx died in 1974, so what on earth are you talking about? Even Welsh is only spoken by 20% of Welsh residents. Chinese dialects and minority languages are still far more vibrant than British ones, that is the simple fact of the matter. Any serious research will confirm this.

ReplyFeb 03, 2012 09:25
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9Mr Burns:

Even if Wikipedia was "serious research" (I love it, it's amazing, but it's really not), if you'd read down the page you would learn that despite being classified as dead in 1975, it has since been removed from the list of extinct languages by UNESCO after a concerted revival effort. There aren't very many, 100 fluent speakers and another thousand or so who are intermediate, but that's a lot more than 'dead.'

Look, Celtic languages are far less widely-spoken than Cantonese or Hakka or Wu. Indisputable fact. But they are PLENTY vibrant. It has nothing to do with relative population size. You would NEVER get an Oxbridge professor going on national TV and saying the same thing about Celtic languages as Kong Qingdong of Peking University said of Cantonese:

"There are not two languages: the detail is very important. One is Mandarin, the other is a dialect. Everybody has the responsibility to speak Mandarin. Those who refuse to speak Mandarin, what kind of people are they? BASTARDS. [Hong-Kongers] are dogs. They AREN'T human."

Lovely.

ReplyFeb 03, 2012 10:50
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10england till i die:

curry. fish and chips. a pint down the pub. i miss my England.

But for the time being i am drunk on yellow fever, and will indulge myself in the gullible young virgins here. Kung pow chicken helps me get by in between the sessions.

Rule Britannia.

ReplyFeb 03, 2012 11:08
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11Krestor:

Rule Britania??!! Ha!!!! The yanks have been ruling britania for decades now, so no wonder you miss the old England! Once the biggest Empire in the world you are now the most powerful lackeys of your lords and masters, the yanks. We at least, are free!

ReplyFeb 03, 2012 11:49
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12jixiang:

What that professor said on television is ridicolous, but let's not forget that before the second world war children would be punished in Welsh schools for speaking Welsh. The truth is that in the UK the process of imposing a single language on everyone has already reached fruition, so now the state doesnt' have to feel threatened by a "resurgence" of already dead regional languages. The Chinese state is still in the process of trying to impose a lingua franca on everyone, which seems to be part of the process of becoming a modern state, like it or not.

All I am saying is that holding up the UK as an example of linguistic diversity in comparison to China is quite absurd, and the stupid words of one professor don't change that. You can present Spain as a succesful example of upholding regional languages, not Britain.

And all you other people, "thumbing down" my comments won't alter the fact that I am saying the truth. I know you hate anyone speaking up for China, but so be it.

ReplyFeb 03, 2012 13:40
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13RIP:

Let's hope sooner rather than later.

ReplyFeb 03, 2012 14:51
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14Rain:

@ jixiang

Yes - it seems that a lot of people automatically thumbs-down posts if the author has a Chinese name. Your writing is reasoned and intelligent.

Amidst the multitudes of ultra-defensive, entirely uncritical responses like "FORINERS TELL LIAS!!!! BE CAUSE THEY ARE THE CORUPT ONE HAHA!!! I KNOW THE TRUE FACTS ABOUT THE HISTERY!!!", it is reassuring to come across an intelligent post (let alone a researched one). Nevermind the thumbs down.

Given the quality of your writing, if someone gives you a thumbs down instead of an articulate response, it means they are outmatched.

ReplyFeb 03, 2012 20:02
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15Monk Hermit:

Firstly, I do not think that the"sun has finally set in British Empire". It is the opposite. For the Britishers still rule the world. The Britishers Empire still span from New Zeland and Australia in the East to Canada and USA in the West. What more is that the world economy, politics and millitary is still dominated by the Britishers. The names USA, Canada, Australia and New Zeland means nothing. They are only symbolic. The difference is that while London was the capital in the old days, it is Washangton now a days. What more is that Farnce, Germany, Italy etc are just the client states and the so called Western world is the name in disguise for NATO world. The same goe sto the so called World community.

ReplyFeb 03, 2012 20:44
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16Monk Hermit:

Thumbs down?! You guys are just too stupid to recognize irony.

ReplyFeb 04, 2012 08:31
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17Earthworm:

My two pence:
I find it surprising that even after global televised coverage of the riots last summer than anybody still views the UK as a 'land of fox hunting Tory wankers'. Yes, that still exists, but in my mind (I'm British) the most relevant and pertinent word to describe the UK these days, is 'decline'. Moral, economic, social, political... you name it, it's in decline!

An interesting observation from all of the countries commented on, is that it appears that China is unable to let go of the past. I knew that in regards to their view of Japan, but do they seriously STILL see countries like France and Britain as 'Colonialist'? Learn to let go, China. The scars will only heal if you let them.

ReplyFeb 02, 2012 20:09
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18RT:

Why Spain is not included in the list?

ReplyFeb 04, 2012 18:03
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19Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra:

Cause we just aint worth it, nor have we apported anything to the World. We lost our Empire , sat out World War I and II and only have to guts to pursue poorly aremed freedom fighters like ETA and kill hapless bulls.

ReplyFeb 04, 2012 22:41
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20Frank:

And what thinking foreigners about chinese people? They screaming in restaurants, are ignorant, egoistic, spiting every where, arrogant and don't care about others life.
I found most of this is unlikely right but I guess the education level is really low so maybe this is the reason.
But it is really funny, few days ago I was in Thailand for vacation. There was a lot of chinese people too because of the Chinese New Year. The Thai-People are very friendly and most of them speak english. Anyhow they have the same experieance like us. They also say the chinese people don't care about others, are loud, egoistic and arrogant.
So I don't care what chinese people think about other nations ... they have to change their behavior totally if they like to be accepted worldwide.
But you have to understand not all chinese are like this, I have a lot of friends here, taiwanese, chinese and vietnamese. So the society will change it is only a question of time ...

ReplyFeb 05, 2012 20:01
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21jixiang:

You know, being able to speak English is not a measure of civilization and education. China has it's own language which is used for everything, which makes it far less necessary and easy to learn foreign languages. The tourist industry is also not as important as in Thailand. As an aside, your English also needs some working on.

ReplyFeb 07, 2012 10:02

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