Beida vs. Oxford: Comparing the Chinese and Western Elite Universities

Beida vs. Oxford: Comparing the Chinese and Western Elite Universities
Feb 09, 2012 By Susie Gordon , eChinacities.com

There's no denying that China's university system is vastly different from its Western counterparts in countries like the USA and United Kingdom. From teaching methods and ethos to extracurricular activities and college accommodation, life at a Chinese university is a far cry from a Western campus. But which system is better? Will a degree from Peking University (Beida) stand you in better stead than a BSc. from Oxford?

Let the stats do the talking

The figures are telling. The Times Higher Education Ranking for 2010-2011 lists the best 200 universities in the world, positioned according to a variety of criteria including results, teaching standard and ethos. The top five are American (Harvard, California Institute of Technology, M.I.T., Stanford and Princeton), with the UK's Cambridge and Oxford coming in six and seventh place. The first China establishment to feature is Hong Kong University at number 21, and the first Mainland university is Peking at number thirty-seven. Five other Mainland schools feature in the top 200, namely the University of Science and Technology of China in Hefei (49), Tsinghua (58), Nanjing University (120), Sun Yat-Sen University (171) and Zhejiang University (197).

The history

The older the university, the better it tends to be, so Western institutions are at an obvious advantage in that they were founded earlier. England's oldest universities – Oxford and Cambridge – were established in 1096 and 1209 respectively, and Harvard in the USA dates back to 1636. Although China's two best-known universities – Beida and Tsinghua – were founded in 1898 and 1911, their lag in the ranking has much to do with the hiatus caused by the Cultural Revolution.

During the decade (1967 – 1977) when many British universities were growing and developing their curricula, Chinese schools were stripped of their faculties and purged of counter-revolutionary academics who posed a threat to Mao's regime. This means that the university system had to be rebuilt from the ground, following the Soviet system in which graduates are shaped to serve the state.

Historically, Peking University had been a hotbed of political activism, with students active in the May 4th Movement of 1919 as well as further important pushes for reform. The spectre of the Cultural Revolution, however, still looms large. A report in the British newspaper The Guardian in March 2011 even referred to screenings for "radical thought" at Chinese universities.

The life of a Chinese university student

It is this Soviet-style ethos and fear of reprisal that has geared modern Chinese university education away from the liberal arts (in which analysis is key) toward a more scientific curriculum. Although many of the top Chinese colleges now prescribe a wider breadth of subjects in the first year, the majority of graduates still hold degrees in pure and applied sciences, medicine, agriculture and engineering. Right from the root, China's education system suffers from a reputation for rote learning and a lack of creative thought. This persists to university level, with Western colleges outperforming in arts subjects.

The view from the ground is that life at Chinese university is tougher than even the Ivy Leagues in the States and the Red Bricks and Oxbridge in the United Kingdom. Although there is pressure at Western universities to perform and snag the best of the graduate jobs, it is nothing compared to the hot-house atmosphere at Chinese colleges. Students in China have been prepared for university since their educational careers began, with everything leading up to the infamous gao kao exams at the end of high school. Once a teen reaches university, there is none of the heady freedom that's synonymous with the frat houses of American colleges, or the parties associated with student life in the West. Chinese students most often live in crowded dormitories, with as many as eight sharing a room. Studying takes up the majority of their schedule, with little time for anything else.

The prospects of employment

One of the truest tests of a university's mettle is the situation for graduates once they have gained their degree. As with the top universities in the rest of the world, a degree from Beida or Tsinghua will almost definitely guarantee you a well-paid job in a good company. The reputation of the high-flying colleges means high status for graduates, and the chance of a better life.

For a Chinese student graduating from Beida or Tsinghua, their prospects are more or less equal to those of a British graduate from Oxbridge, or an American from an Ivy League school: good job prospects, the potential for a high salary, and opportunities for post-graduate study. Top universities the world over share exacting standards and excellent teaching, selecting the very best and most intelligent students. While the Cultural Revolution and Confucian teaching systems may have proven damaging for the Chinese education system, the country's best universities are holding their own in the world ranking.
 

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Lou Rosgen

I have been involved with University and professional people in China for many years and believe that they have the capability and will someday, very soon, no longer have to rely on foreign technology. They only need the encouragement and support so as to think outside the box. I recall a time when the attitude concerning Japanese technology was considered inferior also.....

Feb 21, 2012 09:55 Report Abuse

Reba

Oxbridge is real. Google it. They've combined forces.

Feb 15, 2012 13:16 Report Abuse

Oxford Grad

It's like very posh slang, it doesn't refer to any official union.

People from Durham University talk about something called Doxbridge, a triumvirate of Durham, Cambridge and Oxford... I think this is their attempt to steal some of the spotlight.

Feb 15, 2012 19:48 Report Abuse

Chaching

Is the author insane? I laugh! Throw a rock into a crowd of Chinese students and you are bound to hit one that plagiarizes and does nothing more than sleep all day and play on QQ. I've seen it first hand. They don't go to class, they don't study for their exams, they don't try to learn something new! Instead, they are busy with trying to find a way to cheat, or copy someone elses work!

The problem is with the education leading up to college. These students are taught to repeat, but not create. This is drilled into their heads until 9, maybe 10 or even 12 o'clock at night. So by the time they reach college, all they know how to do is repeat or copy. AND they are so so so burnt out that they find the easy road. Well, the result is plagiarism, lazy students, and a severe lack of creation. Work hard MY ASS! The Chinese don't have any idea about working hard in college. That is why most western universities are still and will remain on top!

Feb 13, 2012 06:48 Report Abuse

Nicholas

Why are you so pissed off? did my word get it to your neck. If it is then you should be from 3rd grade university and poor like hell, cause if you are not then you wouldn't be this pissed off..

Don't trust me do it, ask around your fellow westerner (in this case American) i bet 90% of them did not even graduated from top 50 school in US. In my company, most of you are in your 30s and work part time here. It just means that your life must be so damn fucked up in the US, so just shut the fuck up and stop acting so damn arrogant. You should just act the same way during work time, working 5 hours a day for 100 kuai and hour.
Pathetic

Feb 11, 2012 06:03 Report Abuse

Reba

You have a degree from a US Uni? I can see why you are finishing in China.

Feb 15, 2012 13:21 Report Abuse

Reba

psst.... its HoosierS. Not Hoosier. Unless you're calling your woman. Or man. Then it would be hooker.

Feb 15, 2012 13:24 Report Abuse

Oxford grad

Having graduated from Oxford I can tell you some things you have missed out from your pretty vacuous report. Oxford, as is Cambridge, is a collegiate system which means comparing it with Beida is like comparing a diamond to a piece of cheese. There are three terms a year which are 8 weeks long. This means academic life is intense. I personally had 2 papers a week compared to 2 papers a term at some universities in the UK. Oxford students sit 'real' finals, and by that I mean you don't sit any exams of note (if you are an arts student) until your final few weeks at university. One on One teaching for hours at a time with world respected scholars within their respective disciplines. Absolutely no plagiarism of any sorts is tolerated. Visiting lecturers the likes of which you can't imagine. An active extra-curricular life with space for creative thought and the ability to disagree with other people's opinions without offending them or having them take it to heart.

Chinese universities are infinitely behind Oxford, as are most UK universities. The talent of the teaching staff is the main difference, but how about Chinese uni's sort out the plagiarism issue first.

Feb 10, 2012 02:49 Report Abuse

london

GIVE ME A BREAK. Why don't you compare a community college to Oxford while you're at it, cause many community colleges in the west are better than them. What research has Beida done? What groundbreaking stuff has it contributed to? Not only that, how can a university do its job if questioning things like the government is illegal?

Feb 10, 2012 02:19 Report Abuse

Leon

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA *Catches breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Do you REALLY Think a bunch of communist party stooges demanding young men and women memorize texted books will make good universities? Even JAPAN hasn't overtaken places like the UK and US. It's not in the Chinese culture to create and innovate. Sorry, cheap labour is about all they have.

Feb 10, 2012 02:22 Report Abuse

Oscar

Yes Jeff, this is so true. This is the main reason I like staying on here in China. I have seen some here come with nothing and gain well.

Feb 09, 2012 23:38 Report Abuse

Nadeem

Yes Oscar I agree. China is a place where time teach you a lot, especially how to cope if you have nothing in hand and live in a alien society. While in West now everything is ready made which is not a true learning rather to follow the old route. Better to take the "road not taken" by many and this is what is charm in China. Thanks China to let me know how to survive in anxiety.

Feb 10, 2012 04:20 Report Abuse

Loki

You're believing too much hype. Also, China just makes cheap trinkets, it does not creat hi-tech, it does not make modern medecine. Your universities don't teach critical thought, just memorization. THAT is why Chinese universities will never be good.

Feb 10, 2012 02:20 Report Abuse