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When complaining about deficient English skills, it helps your credibility when you don't make a number of mistakes ( I counted 5 at least with a quick once-over. It is "there" not "their" "Chinglish" is not a word, it should be put inside quotes to indicate this. There should be only one comma and not two in your fourth sentence. And in your last sentence it should read "are" and not "is". And it is "deserve" not "deseerve". Not that I usually critique others' grammar or spelling, but your post was such an example of striking irony, not to mention flat out wrong. There are many Chinese that speak and write excellent English. Granted they are in the minority, but they do exist.
Jul 23, 2017 12:28 Report Abuse
Be honest If you a white guy and you are from USA,Britain,Australia,New Zealand. You can always find a teaching job here in China.
Apr 14, 2014 21:55 Report Abuse
I recently started work in a university and I am surprised that kids of 14 years are already completing their A levels within a year, AP as well. By 16' they will be in some uni in the UK or US. The pressure on them is tremendous and sometimes I see them struggling to understand. Their English is fairly good for a Chinese but still not enough to unravel concepts in Economics, Physics and Chemistry. Teachers here are also under a lot of pressure to delver classes to fit the tight teaching timetable. I'm not sure if these kids understand what they are studying. Mostly they are studying by rote. How are these kids able to finish uni overseas the come back and take over key positions in companies? It just doesn't make any sense at all.
Apr 14, 2014 19:32 Report Abuse
If the Chinese students who are completing A levels or AP at very young age, how can you assume "I'm not sure if these kids understand what they are studying. Mostly they are studying by rote." As far as I know A levels exams are not managed by Chinese universities or governments. Therefore, in this case you can't blame the substandard Chinese Education System (as mentioned countless times on this forum). The only logical conclusion from your statement is that even western universities are favoring the Chinese students and that these exams can also be passed by rote study. So, what's the difference between the Great Western Education Standards and a substandard Chinese education system?
Apr 15, 2014 14:26 Report Abuse
Let's put it this way, if western unis turn away Chinese students, how much revenue is lost? So I am sure standards are bent to accept these students they can pay obscene amounts just to get in. So you see, western unis are also in the business of making money. It's not just about standards. And you are incorrect that A levels are not managed by Chinese unis or government. I can only assume that you have not been to any Chinese uni yet. I work in one.
Apr 15, 2014 19:05 Report Abuse
It means that money does talk whether it's China or West. I am wondering how much of these standards can be bent with an increasing influx of Chinese students every year. And by the management of A level exams , I meant about the curriculum and examination system.
Apr 16, 2014 10:50 Report Abuse
Yes, curriculum for A levels and AP are managed by the UK and the US respectively. Overseas students pay huge amounts to get a place in unis across Europe and the US and this is an important revenue source for them.
Apr 16, 2014 12:40 Report Abuse
a bit harsh, but i would say there is an element of truth. But many of the ESL teachers i have met here, especially at public schools, are professional and dedicated teachers, not skirt-chasers.
Apr 14, 2014 13:25 Report Abuse
Just a correction, it's not immigration that requires the BA/BS degree. It's the labor department also known as the FEC department (Nickname).
Apr 14, 2014 14:20 Report Abuse
As a correction to your post, there are two main routes for foreigners to get permission to work in the PRC. One is through the labor Supervision Bureau who administer work permits and the other is through SAFEA who administer Foreign Expert Certificates. There is no "FEC" department at the Labor Supervision Bureau.
Apr 14, 2014 14:51 Report Abuse
I've met and interiew dozens, maybe hundreds, of foreign teachers in my 5 years here in China. About 1% think they are gods. The rest are just looking for work.
Apr 18, 2014 10:22 Report Abuse
i completely agree with this. i am a foreigner and i completely agree, the employers usually look for fair skin and blonde hair. most of the time. not all the time most..
Apr 19, 2014 19:26 Report Abuse
...And don't forget those that want to get their foot in the "door" of other industries or fields not related to ESL (i.e. those teachers with degrees or backgrounds in Marketing, Management, HR, etc.) ;-)
May 28, 2014 02:01 Report Abuse
I know a lot of Germans in China. They work doing engineering and machinery. In their businesses the management has to be half and half or else they will walk out. The problem is not the Chinese are incapable, but that the Chinese management wants to cut corners to save money. The German management do not want that because it will mean a cheap and inferior product. The problem, as I see it, is the Chinese wanting to cut corners all the time. Why pay a great worker 20,000 a month when you can pay two local ones 6,000 each?
Apr 14, 2014 12:12 Report Abuse
In my previous life, my company decided they would save money by out-sourcing to China, and therefore save money. The reality was further than the truth. The work had to be checked more than twice and re-sent to be completed correctly, and deadlines were missed, thus costing more in the long-run. The company then decided to keep the work within Europe to ensure quality and on-time deliveries.
Apr 14, 2014 12:18 Report Abuse
The translation industry is wrought with examples of sacrificing quality to cut costs. Poor translations are everywhere in China! In seemingly every industry!
Mar 20, 2017 21:00 Report Abuse
According to the STATSTICS, China is doing great! On PAPER, at least. It LOOKS GOOD, so, mission accomplished. Respect the PAPER tiger's authoritah! I'm working in China for my family, and if it wasn't for them, I'd want to work in this country just as much as Chinese want me to work here.
Apr 14, 2014 11:38 Report Abuse
It's all down to the fact that they just don't want us here. Not because they have better candidates amongst their own.
Apr 14, 2014 09:58 Report Abuse
It's quite easy to teach English in China whether in schools or tutoring centers and I've been here 6 years working continuously.
Jan 16, 2016 11:15 Report Abuse
The author did state that jobs in the education industry abound. That being said, just because you can easily find work as a teacher, it doesn't mean that you are "wanted".
Mar 20, 2017 20:54 Report Abuse
Umm, It may be true that foreigners are having a harder time finding jobs in China. But I reject the author's premise that the Chinese are well educated and talented. This article fails to mention the most obvious reasons why foreigners have a hard time finding jobs outside of English education. 1) Chinese are willing to work for a lot less. 2) racism (ethnocentrism), For example, working in finance or accounting. The Chinese do not want a foreigner controlling their books, they'd rather hire their unqualified cousin because no Chinese boss wants to reveal their "private" life as well as their true economic standing. Nice work echinacities! Yellow journalism, once again to try and make China appear stronger than it is. An English common phrase, "Threats are only as good as their preceding reputation."
Apr 14, 2014 07:43 Report Abuse
That says it all. > 1) Chinese are willing to work for a lot less... So many people, so many unqualified, that bosses love because cheaper is always better and easier to push around.
Apr 14, 2014 11:11 Report Abuse
All of those factors may be true, but the biggest barrier to working for a Chinese company is the language. Unless you are quite fluent in spoken and written Mandarin (Putonghua), you are somewhat of a liability since you always need a translator/interpreter. That requires two people to do the job of one.
Apr 18, 2014 10:18 Report Abuse
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