Expat Q&A: Why Do Chinese…? Why Do Foreigners…?

Expat Q&A: Why Do Chinese…? Why Do Foreigners…?
Oct 25, 2012 By eChinacities.com

In Samuel Huntington's 1996 landmark book The Clash of Civilizations, he argued that people's cultural and religious identities would be the primary source of conflict in the future. And although the theory was later critiqued and disproved from multiple perspectives for being too static and fatalistic, it's no small secret that globalization has led to a plethora of cross-cultural misunderstandings and annoyances. In the context of expats living in China, particularly those who frequent the eChinacities Answers website, this can occasionally manifest itself as token "Why do Chinese…." (and the counter-token "Why do Foreigners") types of questions. That the working title for this article was "Reasonable Answers to Potentially Insensitive Questions" alone should tell you that we are not dealing with sunshine and daisies here. Yet, for however insensitive as a question may appear, thankfully there are expats (and Chinese friends) out there than can read past the surface tensions and attempt to answer at it objectively.

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Question 1: Why do Chinese like asking about how much my salary is?

DaBen: They ask each other the same question.  It's all about numbers so they can rank you with everyone else they know. How much do you make? How big of a bonus did you get for the New Year? How much can you drink? Anything that gives them a fixed scale to mentally create a pecking order, and provide a chance to brag (either by him making more than you or to brag to others that he's connected to you and you make so much). Chinese friends have confessed to me that they openly lie to even their friends about this, so they won't look bad.

HappyExPat: The Chinese affinity for curiosity—and in a way even gossip—is second to none. And whenever they see a foreigner, more so. For them it is natural to ask what your salary is, and many other rude or impertinent questions. It is not based on the color of your skin, and in a way, not even based on if you are a foreigner or a local. For them, information is valuable; it is a way to earn "face" among their peers. And thus they do ask a bunch of very private and personal questions. So you may feel better, I have been asked about: my age, my income, my savings and investments, if I had a car and a house back home, was my former wife fat or skinny, was she pretty, do I like Chinese girls, which ones are better in bed etc. Sometimes I offer brief answers out of courtesy.  But when they start getting deeper into what evidently is none of their business, I just reply "sorry, can't answer that".

Question 2: Why are most foreign men in China only interested in getting laid and acting like jerks?

Xinyuren: In answer to your question (and unfortunately verified by the answers here), it is because there are way too many jerk foreigners in China. Sometimes I too am ashamed. I cannot give a defence for their actions, but I can offer a few explanations. Foreigners do not have a "home" in China. There is no permanency. So marriage is usually out of the question. But the sex drive continues... They are far from home with no-one to watch them. When "jerks" are in this situation, they act like.....jerks. Cultural differences allow Chinese girls to wear these micro mini-skirts and shorts and high heels (clothing that would mark a girl to be promiscuous in the West) along with those cute coy smiles... this will drive a Western man to almost madness. The foreigners in China are not typical. It takes a certain type of person to go live in a foreign country and culture. Also foreigners are more direct and outgoing (usually). Foreigner men want the same thing that Chinese men want. We just have the gall to actually go for it. In short, Western men are wolves, Chinese men are sheepish. Whatever the reasons, though, there is no excuse for being a jerk and as I said, there are far too many in China.

Question 3: Why do Chinese eat dog?

PoutineDuFion: The main reason is cultural, according to a Chinese friend of mine. It's because Westerners see cats and dogs as household pets, and we even consider them part of family. So eating them is a big no-no, and we are shocked when we see dogs hanging from a stall. Very interestingly, when I arrived in America, I had to live in a trailer park. It was a nice experience, but I admit it took some time before people would see me as one of them. They knew I was born in France, because of my accent. They didn't make fun of me, and encouraged me to get better. But they were really curious, and asked me several times why would French people eat frogs and snails. For them, it was "weird". Maybe it is the same feeling we have when we see Chinese eating cats and dogs. I remember a woman once told me she would never try eating a snail (even with a ton of garlic!) but that "if a lot of people do it, then there must be a reason to it"…

4) Why do 99% of the foreigners walk around the city and not acknowledge other foreigners?

Super8: We don't acknowledge other foreigners because we don't know them! How's that for an answer? I don't acknowledge Chinese, Japanese, American, Canadian or any other person unless I know them or a circumstance arises that we must speak. I am cordial in every way to every person otherwise.

Coffaholic: Many foreigners are just anti-social or have no interest in befriending or talking to you. China is a more collective society on the whole (though this is of course changing). Being around people and talking to neighbours is very normal. In the West, people are more reserved and cautious when it comes to interacting with people. I find the whole friendship game a lot more calculated by Westerners and it's pretty exhausting.

5) Why are Chinese men so loud?

Bonita8187: Just men? I'm loud too. When my boyfriend tells me, "honey you are yelling", generally I will respond, "Sorry honey, I just have a powerful voice." I will explain to you why some people are loud in China. Let's start from primary school, where teachers will consider you a GOOD student if you can speak out loud in class. It's a basic requirement to be a good student. Same as in middle school, high school etc. People are taught to speak loud.
 

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AlexS

Note to everyone:

I would appreciate it if people debated and discussed in a mature tone, patiently and politely giving room for everyone to speak their mind. It just allows for more inner growth, don't you think?

Mr.Martel: I have commented on your comment on the other page and apologize I have posted the same answer a couple times! I am not too good with posting messages, apparently. Anyway, thank you for your views, although I do not appreciate your tone of voice too much and find it a little righteous and annoying, especially considering this is not about our personas but about the issue at hand. Thank you for your cooperation.

We are here to learn!

Oct 26, 2012 23:22 Report Abuse

Evil foreigner

The reason foreignes don't say 'Hi' to each other on the streets in China is because of a certain kind of jealous, I believe. Each foreigner here already consider themselves as "Special" because their in China. So like the 'Token-Black Guy' at an all white party in America. Foreigners want to be the 'Token-Foreigner' in China and a slight sense of jealousy ensues.

Oct 26, 2012 00:43 Report Abuse

Bob

Perhaps. I also don't say hi because: first I see many foreigners in my Chinese city. Second I don't know (nor assume) they speak English. Third in a bigger city it's normal for me to be less friendly in the street. I lived in a small Chinese city before and would say hi to another foreigner if I saw one, just because it was such a rare occasion. (Plus there were times when my English got so bad through lack of practice!) Forth, I dont say hi to someone because of skin colour. Lastly, some of the foreigners I meet are a bit strange! I've had a one or two foreigners come up to me, and, I dont automatically trust or talk to someone because they come from the same city or country as me ! Honestly, what do people want me to say "Hey, you're foreign I'm foreign, Hi, Hi Hi Hi, let's be friends" LOL.....

Oct 27, 2012 23:58 Report Abuse

AlexS

Oh, and one more thing. Samuel Huntington's book may seem so enlightening and so academic, BUT ACTUALLY this so-called "clash of civilizations" is not the REAL issue. As usual, the REAL issue and problem is that the world has always been divided into two main groups: the IGNORANT and those who WANT TO UNDERSTAND. There is NO such thing as a "clash of civilizations", just stupidity and intelligence. And THAT is my honest opinion, my experience and all my culturally/religiously/linguistically diverse friends prove this to me. They are my friends not because we have similar views or cultural baggage, but because we are and try to be intelligent about the world. The division, and indeed even the choice of photos for this Echinacities article (a 1950's Anglo-American white male) and a modern Asian (probably Chinese) scratching his head proves my point, and the division and insistence on this "difference" is insulting and ridiculous at once.

Thank you

Oct 25, 2012 22:57 Report Abuse

AlexS

First of all:

what exactly make Chinese people think that "Westerner" is some kind of mega-inclusive group? It does not even mean anything! Anyone who comes from any European country can tell you how different the cultures, languages, religious beliefs, not to mention cuisines, are. The ONLY thing that "Westerners" might have in common is: 1) The GREEK idea of Beauty 2) the GREEK way of critical thinking and analysis 3) The influence of Graeco-Roman and Judeo-Christian culture. THAT's IT.

I am ABSOLUTELY sick of people calling non-Chinese in China "Westerners" (read: British-Anglo-American-"White"--whatever that is/means) You know, it would be better to not always think of China VS the "West" because it is not the only cultural-linguistic dichotomy available. GROW UP and study history. Sounds like you all have been living in Caves, maybe in Shandong or Dunhuang.
Peace and think about what "East" 'West" North" and "South" really mean. NOTHING!

Oct 25, 2012 22:03 Report Abuse

AlexS

Yes, Ahmed, exactly.
And how ANNOYING and ignorant is that? It's ok when a random ignorant person says stuff like this, of course, but when it is reinforced by "expat" blogs? I am from Sicily and I feel that I have NOTHING in common with an Anglo-American, except the fact that THEY use OUR Latin alphabet and study OUR ancient Greek and Roman philosophy. It's like equating Italy/Sicily=Mafia, Arab=Muslim, Chinese=Japanese, Indian=Vegetarian, American=Anglo-Christian, etc. It's called STEREOTYPES. I am just surprised that you would find them so widespread on an article posted on Echinacities. Disappointing. Thank you for your comment! :)

I am just as baffled by Germans behaving a certain way, by British people drinking alcohol till they black out, by Scandinavian apparent lack of affection, by the fact that French people carry bread around without paper...and they are all"Western," right? Come on!

Maybe we need to review what "Westerner" means and what "Chinese" means (a Tibetan or an Uyghur are "Chinese," are they not? Or are they?). People need to think out the SCHEMES, it is 2012 and there is little excuse for widespread ignorance and clichés. There is no such thing as "Westerner", except in many (not ALL, obviously!) Chinese minds, and it is my duty to educate, just like I hope to also be educated by others.

Thank you
Y

Oct 25, 2012 22:49 Report Abuse

AlexS

Mr. Martel,

Thank you for your reply, and I appreciate the tone you use, I see all this struck a chord in you. I am aware of Sicily's history, thank you, and when it was incorporated into the Roman Republic. I also find it quite significant, that you should bring up our inherent Hellenism and the Phoenician factor when talking about the alpha-bet, you really nail the foundations of Sicily, which is Phoenician (=Punic) in the western part of the island and Greek in the eastern half. Funny how all three cultures that share the common Phoenician alphabet history should have come together in Sicily. So it is our alphabet, and it is yours too, things are shared you know! Let's just keep history and identity in mind. But I digress.

I realize that you mistook my ridiculous examples of stupid stereotypes ("the French bread" example! LOL) for my inner belief. It was not my intention. Far from it, they were meant to be ridiculous examples of stereotypes, which apparently you did not quite get.

Anyway, what I wanted to say is that there is a better way of discussing and coming together to talk about differences in mentality but without reinforcing some kind of general pan-Western, or Pan-Asian, or Pan-whatever identity. It is just simplistic and it is insulting to everyone's intelligence, and I am sure you agree with me on that! :)
That is all. Oh, and I do not take "provincialism" as an insult, rather it is exactly what I am, and proud of it, you know Sicily was at once the first real and unfortunate (!) Province of the Romans and at the same time always so urban and coveted by nearly all the Mediterranean (and non) cultures. I know where I come from, yet I try to transcend it as well, in spite of how hard it may be, right?!

So I would propose really delving into this "Westerner" identity, not limited to Americanized/Anglo oriented identities only, but rather to finding that common denominator. What might it be? I do not know for sure.
I would like to suggest Greek thought, Greek logic 逻辑 (beautifully phonetically translated into Chinese), as that common denominator of "Westerness", and not more superficial and generic identity markers (i.e. stereotypes, precisely my point all along). Just a thought.

One of my Chinese teachers made a keen observation in class to kind of summarize the difference between our Greek philosophy and Chinese philosophy. The Greeks, my ancestors, ask this question: "为什么?“ The Chinese, this one: "怎么办?“ This explanation is very simple but it opened up a lot for me, allowing me to shed a little more light on that age-old "China and the "west" debate which we just love.
Thank you for your time.

PS: tone of voice is SO hard to translate onto a blog! Please forgive me if I insulted you, Mr. Martel!
:)
Ale

Oct 26, 2012 10:18 Report Abuse

AlexS

Nun sulu t'arrispunnu, ma lu fazzu in sicilianu. Si vui ti parru makari 'talianu, ma prifirissi vidiri si sta vota mi capisci tu. Tu ti la fidi a parrari in sicilianu? O si unu di chiddi ca s'affrunta a parrarilu e fa finta ca parra sulu lu 'talianu?
Comunque, e te lo dico in italiano nel caso in cui tu non fossi siculo, il fatto che tu metta in dubbio il mio livello inglese, (ti ringrazio del complimento), semplicemente perche' secondo te (o nella tua esperienza) un siciliano non lo parli con maestria e naturalita' e' un lieve insulto nei miei confronti, ma apprezzo la tua voglia di capire. Ah, e sono siciliano (della provincia di Palermo, se lo vuoi sapere) e non siculo-americano (e nelo caso in cui lo fossi?). Ma sopratutto, la tua domanda non capisco bene cosa c'entri con il discorso piu' ampio che faccio io. Tu siciliano sei? Un abbraccio comunque perche' so che la tua domanda era ben intenzionata. Vasamu li manu

Oct 26, 2012 22:43 Report Abuse

AlexS

Dear Mr. Martel,

Finally you give me a more intelligent answer, I knew you had it in you. No problem! I must have touched on something personal for you, so I am happy about that, it was my intention to provoke a healthy dialogue! :)

Anyway, thank you for your reply, I am so happy that I have encouraged you into thinking a bit, and I must say I AGREE with you! The points that you list, which are part of your "Western" identity are pretty much what I think as well, but as you are coming to realize, identity is a very slippery concept, and you know, the beauty of the world also lies in its exceptions. I have definitely, like you, been on the receiving side of people's "provincialism" (in your sense of the word) and it is annoying but understandable. There is indeed a fine line between being proud of one's heritage (I love the history of the alphabet, and know whom I am indebted to, and feel that they are part of me too! Yes, I can claim Greek, Roman, and Phoenician ancestry without a problem, it has shaped my learned cultural behavior.), being proud of one's personal achievements (quite different from silly nationalism or ethnic pride) and looking down on other ways of thinking/cultures. I think we have more in common that you realize, Mr. Martel.

It is just exhausting to feel thrust and locked into a mega-group thanks to stereotypes when I do not feel part of this mega-category. So I must point this exception out and let people know, that is all. In other words: no one likes to be defined by others. Everyone needs to have the freedom to define oneself. Do you agree? For example, I know for a fact that East Asians do not like being locked into one group, but many ignorant non-East Asians do this. Etc, etc etc... So if I know this, I am forced to open my mind and be aware of the subtleties of cultural varieties.

Thank you for your time, it has been a pleasure once again.

PS: my point of view is unorthodox precisely because my cultural background is too, however "provincial" it may be. Also, paradoxically, I am not a slave to my identity but try to rise above it when the situation requires it.

Best of luck to you and your intellectual endeavors!
Just a thought for the future here: please remember that insults have no real place in any debate or conversation. It makes you sound immature and undermines any potentially valid point you might have.
李俊伟

Oct 26, 2012 23:10 Report Abuse

AlexS

Dear Mr. Martel,

Finally you give me a more intelligent answer, I knew you had it in you. No problem! I must have touched on something personal for you, so I am happy about that, it was my intention to provoke a healthy dialogue! :)

Anyway, thank you for your reply, I am so happy that I have encouraged you into thinking a bit, and I must say I AGREE with you! The points that you list, which are part of your "Western" identity are pretty much what I think as well, but as you are coming to realize, identity is a very slippery concept, and you know, the beauty of the world also lies in its exceptions. I have definitely, like you, been on the receiving side of people's "provincialism" (in your sense of the word) and it is annoying but understandable. There is indeed a fine line between being proud of one's heritage (I love the history of the alphabet, and know whom I am indebted to, and feel that they are part of me too! Yes, I can claim Greek, Roman, and Phoenician ancestry without a problem, it has shaped my learned cultural behavior.), being proud of one's personal achievements (quite different from silly nationalism or ethnic pride) and looking down on other ways of thinking/cultures. I think we have more in common that you realize, Mr. Martel.

It is just exhausting to feel thrust and locked into a mega-group thanks to stereotypes when I do not feel part of this mega-category. So I must point this exception out and let people know, that is all. In other words: no one likes to be defined by others. Everyone needs to have the freedom to define oneself. Do you agree? For example, I know for a fact that East Asians do not like being locked into one group, but many ignorant non-East Asians do this. Etc, etc etc... So if I know this, I am forced to open my mind and be aware of the subtleties of cultural varieties.

Thank you for your time, it has been a pleasure once again.

PS: my point of view is unorthodox precisely because my cultural background is too, however "provincial" it may be. Also, paradoxically, I am not a slave to my identity but try to rise above it when the situation requires it.

Best of luck to you and your intellectual endeavors!
Just a thought for the future here: please remember that insults have no real place in any debate or conversation. It makes you sound immature and undermines any potentially valid point you might have.
李俊伟

Oct 26, 2012 23:12 Report Abuse

AlexS

Va bene! A posto, allora! Complimenti per la tua sincerita' ed educazione, ce ne vorrebbe di piu' nel mondo ultimamente, non credi?
Stammi bene

ciao!

Oct 26, 2012 23:16 Report Abuse

jknox00

You're Sicilian, huh? You know... I read a lot, especially about things--about history.
I find that shit fascinating. Here's a fact I don't know whether you know or not.
Sicilians were spawned by niggers. Yeah. You see, uh, Sicilians have, uh,
black blood pumping through their hearts. If you-- If you don't believe me,
uh, you can look it up.
Hundreds and hundreds of years ago, uh, you see, um, the Moors conquered Sicily. And the Moors are niggers.You see, way back then, uh,
Sicilians were like, uh, wops from northern Italy. They all had blond hair and blue eyes. But, uh, well -- then the Moors moved in there, and...well, they changed the whole country. They did so much fucking with Sicilian women... that they changed the whole bloodline forever. That's why... blond hair and blue eyes became black hair and dark skin.
You know, it's absolutely amazing to me...to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, that-- that Sicilians... still carry that nigger gene.
Now, this-- Now, I'm quoting history. It's written. It's a fact. It's written.
Your ancestors are niggers. Huh? And-- And your great-great-great-great-grandmother... fucked a nigger. Yeah. And she had a half-nigger kid.
Now, if that's a fact, tell me, am I lying?

Oct 28, 2012 01:37 Report Abuse

Gabey

Question 1:

Not infrequently I've even been asked about the size of my... by both men and women. Another really common one is how many Chinese girls I've slept with (I always reply, You mean how many Chinese girlfriends have I had?). It's terribly embarrassing to those of us who are actually decent people. I part time as a model, though... maybe it comes with the territory.

Question 2:

The majority of expat men are good people who go out of their way to respect others and try a different way of life, though you wouldn't know it by looking at these forums. Remember it is easier to spot a jerk than it is to spot a nice guy. I'm not trying to be on a pedestal here, but two of my brothers are sailors and even they don't act like that.

Question 3:

I don't know about you guys, but I rarely see dog meat for sale. Maybe in Guangdong or Dongbei it is different, but at least in Jiangnan, you really have to go out of your way to find it.

Question 4:

When you go to America, will you say hello to every Chinese person you see? We don't have anything in common except that we both obviously are not of Chinese ancestry. More than anything though, I've met too many creepy assholes from question 2, and I don't want to be around people like that.

Question 5:

A better question is, why are Europeans so quiet? In Germany, people frequently asked me why Americans are so loud and here in China my African neighbors can't seem to speak below 100 decibels. Loud and quiet is relative, but you have to talk loud if you're going to be heard over 1.5 billion people...

Oct 25, 2012 21:16 Report Abuse

Al

Mike,

I assume you are american. That statement based on European history is somewhat incorrect. Comparing the times European countries have fought for borders and expansion.

Oct 27, 2012 20:07 Report Abuse

TPK

Taiwan ?

Oct 28, 2012 00:09 Report Abuse

jknox00

No, this is incorrect and not any kind of general rule. Ghengis Khan can still hold the top title for having expanded and conquered more different races of people than anyone ever has.
Then again, Muhammad's Arabs could take it for most variety - they conquered on every front they expanded from whites to asians to indians to black africans.
Everything else just comes down to geography and expenses.

Oct 30, 2012 22:30 Report Abuse