On January 15 around 11am, a foreigner was spotted using rocks to scratch a series of cars parked outside some restaurants in Dalian. The foreigner argued that the 10 or so cars which he damaged were parked on the sidewalk, blocking the way for pedestrians.
Upon witnessing the situation unfold, a local owner of a barbecue restaurant whose car was being scratched gathered his staff to try and restrain the foreigner whilst telling nearby restaurant workers and customers to call the police.
The owner added that this was the second time his car had been scratched by a foreigner, with the last incident being caught on surveillance camera.
A passerby who spoke English began talking with the foreigner, who said that the cars were blocking the sidewalk for pedestrians and the blind, affecting the movement of himself and other people.
“His point isn’t without reason” added another nearby restaurant owner, “but his behavior was a little over the top.”
According to sources, the foreigner has been living in Dalian for 12 years and used to be an English teacher, but has been unemployed for the last 2 years.
Source: cqnews.net
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I have not been in Dalian as long as most of the Expats on DalianXpat.com... However, I have to agree with Guest and MeiMei... When I had first met the webmaster of that website in person, I instantly did not feel welcome at that table and neither did my wife. I felt that the niceties that were being thrown at us from "James" were only because he wanted something from me... Which turned out to be more than a gut feeling. We met some good people that night and exchanged numbers. All talked about leaving DX when he was not around and "Murphy" (one of the website mods) had left. Personally my feeling from the website is that it just needs to go. It's a great place for information. But the layout and the forum are pretty terrible. It's a good spot to meet people. But honestly, this website is past it's day and the people running the website are arrogant and pompous. Their jobs only cater to english teachers and don't offer much for the working professional not interested in Teaching.
Apr 07, 2013 16:29 Report Abuse
Wow, that Guest2098644, is really angry at something. He must be the guy who was threatening people on this site? he must be the guy who claimed he was me, who claimed to have given the woman advice last nite? Wow, that's a real compliment but maybe not condusive to good discussion. I thought he apologized earlier, for pretending he was me. No, my mistake, I think he said that he had offered someone advice on another site, yes? In any case he does sound like an angry sort. This solhacehabravida writer must be his nemesis.
Feb 07, 2013 00:35 Report Abuse
Yeah, just stay away. He and a group of people from where he lives have been expressig their dislike for him all over the intenet. They offer what they call "background" on his life and then seem to think that his bad character changes what the real issue is. I understand the anger . . . but man, they have been threatening each other and threatening people who refuse to talk about the man in the article. It's has gotten really ugly. There are foreigners thinking that all foreigners should always try to distance themselves from bad foreigners by discussing such thing online. LOL, the secret to distancing yourself is to just never get involved in any Chinese vs Foreigner comparisons. There have been local people who over-react to any comment about the bigger issue -- they seem to immediately think that anyone who wants to look at the bigger issue is supporting the man in the article . . . and then they begin threatening. The sad thing is, apparently, there have been some young women abused my this man and now those women are talking about the details of their personal lives on the internet. And they just don't seem to get that no one blames them for being angry but many of us tried to help them see that they are not really expressing their anger in the appropriate arena -- sadly, they seem to feel they have no choice but to talk on the internet, probably because they don't trust their polcie or they misunderstand that they don't have to proove the crimes they describe. It is the police and the courts who decide these matters, not the victim. And, now, from both CHinese and foreigners, the young women have recieved support for discussing their personal lives on the internet -- even though they seem to not have reported the crime. Let's hope they did report the crimes . . . but, still it's a shame that the young women couldn't get justice where they should have gotten justice and now feel they have to look for justice on the internet. If this all happened in a western country, and the victims were writing about the crime on line because they couldn't get justice, we would be writing angry letters to our government representatives and to the media, not just discussing the bad man's character on line. Of course, this man in the article has only himself to blame, of course that is true, but that doesn't change the fact that all this revenge seeking is the same as what he did, all about not trusting the police and justice.
Feb 07, 2013 14:01 Report Abuse
"When in Rome do as the Romans do", refers to the fact that acient Rome was on of the few places at that time that actually had laws. And so when you went there you had to follow the laws, not just follow the culture and do bad things because everyone else did. Today, the phrase, "when in Rome do as the Romans do" is often an excuse used by people who try to excuse bad behavior. But I am confused the article above is about crime, isn't it? It seems to tell the story of a man who got angry because he didn't want to do " as the romans do" because he felt the Romans were breaking their own laws. Not that I support him. He seems to have over-reacted. Or at least that's what the restaurant owner said
Feb 07, 2013 00:31 Report Abuse
Hmm, I notices a post where someone defined "fetching" as "looking for things. Fetching is either a compliment, usually paid to a woman. Or it means to go get something. People often train their dog to "fetch" But I have never heard "fetching" used to mean "looking for something." Are you an logic teacher? Or an English teacher it always makes me uncomfortable when people correct logic incorrectly. And I know that here in China, it is okay to give correct explanations of logic but not very polite to correct English. Most Chinese don't worry about their English, And they shouldn't have to. This is just a comments site not an English classroom. But correctly logic is okay. Hope you don't mind.
Feb 07, 2013 00:22 Report Abuse
To coin a phrase "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." As visitors to this land we are taught to observe and respect the culture and act within the constraints of the society around us. In many places in this land (I can't say everywhere as I have not been everywhere!) The locals will not approach the subject in any better a manner....except by being a little sneakier, they will not walk into the restaurant and ask who's car is this? They will not call the traffic Police and report the infringement - they will either do nothing or like the underhanded cowardice that this person has shown. I do not condone the cowardly way and thus - this man actions. I think his actions are wrong and will be a thorn-in-the-paw for society's harmony, although playing Devils-advocate: is it the act that is wrong or the getting caught in the act?! Do we conform and be condemned for it or do we disregard and see/do only what we want and be condemned for it? Live and let live :)
Feb 06, 2013 17:09 Report Abuse
I was taught to act within the confines of the law, no matter where I am. If the culture actually causes me to break the law, like jay-walking, or parking my car illegally, I ignore the culture and follow the law. But this guys certainly over-reacted. No matter the culture, he broke the law. Why do you think local people don't report such things?. Maybe they don't trust the police. Sounds like this car scratching guy also didn' trust the police. Yikes, I don't know if I would actually refer to the local people as "sneakier." I mean no insult but maybe it is best not to say such things??
Feb 07, 2013 00:41 Report Abuse
But, at least it is good to hear you say that it doesn't matter if the person is a Chinese person on a Foreigner,when you write "they will either do nothing or like the underhanded cowardice that this person has shown". Crime is crime, after all, yes??
Feb 07, 2013 00:43 Report Abuse
Sure yes, his "actions are wrong and will be a thorn-in-the-paw for society's harmony." What do you think about the illegally parked cars? That doesn't seem to be very harmonious, yes? I mean it's all crime, right, all unharmonious, yes? It doesn't excuse what he did, right, but it is all crime that should be punished under the justice system, right?
Feb 07, 2013 00:50 Report Abuse
Sounds like that other guy would like to kill the man who scratched the car. His posts sound like he has anger issues. I think I'll stay away from him. He might decide to attack me too if I speak my mind. Some people, I guess are selecive about which crimes they think are okay and which crimes they think are bad. Perhaps he knows the guy. He must know him because the article doesn' mention any names. I hope that other site he mentioned is just a place for people to vent about the car-scratching guy. I wouldn't want to get involved in any discussion that talks about crime by foreigners as if that were different. I guess some people need to do that. But the article above seems to express a very clear topic.
Feb 07, 2013 00:58 Report Abuse
From what I read last nite, before I suggested to that woman to just ignore this Guest2098644 who I think must really be GUEST 7816 -- the same guy who told her she didn't deserve his reply, it seems was talking about sites where they actually threaten you if you don't agree with them. That must be the site he is talking about now. I dont know why he thinks I would need anyones permission to comment on any site about anything I choose. Man, I hope that woman last night saved all his comments. He actually said, "now I've got you." Oh,well, people who have an axe to grind are not going to listen no matter what.
Feb 07, 2013 01:04 Report Abuse
Well, take care . . it's pretty boring here. I have already read all those post by the solhacehabravida writer. i was hoping to talk with him. But, good to see you that you realize there is no difference between crime by a foreigner and crime by a Chinese person. This guy went way beyond, even the bad version of "when in ROme do as the ROmans do, which some people use to excuse bad behavior. Hahaha, now that I think of it, the folks who parked to car would probably also say "when in rome do as the romans do", even though they are doing something illegal. I guess that show that the "when in Rome" idea doesn't always work, certainly not when it is an excuse for crime.
Feb 07, 2013 01:09 Report Abuse
WOW, I just read that guys's post again, that Guest2098644/Guest 7816 guy. He is actually using her name. Man, that really sound threatening. You just don't do that kind of thing on internet sites the comment sites.
Feb 07, 2013 01:19 Report Abuse
I have been victim to disgruntled neighbours before in this land doing things to my vehicles rather than simply communicating with me over their concern, worry or particular issue that has annoyed them. I am not saying that all of the locals are sneakier - far from it - I merely relate to it from my own experiences and the phenomenal lengths I had to go through to catch them in the act of my vehicles being maliciously damaged. But you are of course correct, there is no idiom one can use to justify breaking the law or acting in such a vindictive manner. We're all people and to have a strong society we must work together - not against each other. Food for thought: Karma is any society's common conundrum! I do indeed see it as a shame that Kong Zi's teachings seem to have been all but forgotten in this land's modernism. Profound logic and understanding for ones fellow man has become a commodity that is used at whim rather than adhered to as the foundations to this society's harmony. I dislike capitalism! Peace, friend :)
Feb 07, 2013 03:08 Report Abuse
Well said. Thank god for other writers who seem to see what is really the issue. Yes, vengeance and revenge is a big issue here in China. People take the law into their own hands all the time. I remember, the first time I had an argument with a Chinese person. I tried to walk away and he wouldn't let me. He continued to hold me by the arm, in this very 'sticky' manner that you see all the time when Chinese people argue. Thank god, I kept my control. I wanted to hit him, because to me, he was committing a crime, he was assulting me . . . but to him, it is very normal to take the law into his own hands. And that is because no one trusts the justice system. But, man, it can be very difficult to make this simple point. Haven't you noticed that. The people talking about this man in the article, get all distracted and talk about his life and about foreigners vs Chinese. I just read a post by a guy named Lago. He tried to express himself with common-sense and patience but other writers, particularly this one guy who seems to be very angry, jumped all over him. It is a shame that people have trouble seeing the ways we are all the same and instead they like to focus on little differences like culture as if that was important. Every cultrue changes and grows more mature over time -- something a culture struggles and has setbacks, then has to re-examine itself and move forward again. But that process happens everywhere. That is why it is important not to focus on culture. Culture is just ideas. Capitalism is an idea, yes? And I agree with you it is not such a good idea any more. It once was a useful idea and helped a lot of people . . . but today we need to find new idea . . .or, as you suggested, maybe we need to look at old ideas and make them new again. But, of course, we will need to modernize them. What are those old sayings "we can never really go back home, because Home always changes", just like idea doo and must change. And "the same person can never cross the same river twice" because both the person and the river change. You know, as we all know, the best and the worst thing about any person or idea or place or thing is always the same thing. I mean, the reason my wife loves me is the same reason why I make her crazy sometimes. The best thing about technology is also the worst things abaout technology and so on. China has this great long history and that is grand. But it is also the biggest challenge because it seems that there have been long periods of little change in China and that, I think, can cause the people to sometimes think ideas can remain unchanged. I can't remember her name, but I heard a Chinese professor from the University of Beijing make this point. Take care.
Feb 07, 2013 13:43 Report Abuse
I'm thinking about buying a car, but it just seems like such a nightmare. I'll see. I don't really need one for work. But I've always had one and it seems odd not to have had one during the years I have lived in China. When I look around and see all the resource assigned to having a car, the sparsely spaced filling stations -- my friends tell me they ften have to drive out of their way and wait in long lines to get fuel, there is the issue of finding a parking space, and then there is all the people it seems to take to park a car, sometimes two or three people yelling at each other -- turn this way, go ahead, go back, turn left/right, stop, it seems more touble then it is worth. A bit of a funny story. In my community, there are four guards on duty at night, each of the gates are 'manned' by two guards. And both gates have cameras aimed to pick up license plate numbers as cars enter the community. The guards, of course, have monitors in their guard houses. But I have often seen the guards racing after cars that enter the community late at night. I had wondered again and again why this was so -- if they have cameras couldn't they see the cars coming and/or identify the plate numbers. But then late one night I happened to glance inside one of the guard house -- don't know why I hadn't noticed the problem before that, but on this occassion I noticed that one of the monitors just showed an extreme close up of the side of a car. Glancing back outside I realized that the guards, in order to allow another car to park were permiting that one car to park so that the camera was completely blocked. The situation at the other entrance is the same. So that is two addtional cars, only two, and as a result the resource of four guards -- who can't do their jobs properly and have to be up and down chasing after cars, was severely wasted simply to allow two more cars. Seems like an odd balance of priorities. Maybe having a car here is an odd balance of priorities in itself.
Feb 08, 2013 01:14 Report Abuse
I'm actually the person who wrote that advice last night, not GUEST 2098644. The post above seems to be more word twisting and posing -- examples of simple efforts to win. Just to clarify, yes, the individual under attack was a writer named Watchful, who trustingly gave an email contact to another poster, GUEST 7816, who seemed to be apologizing for misunderstandings, who then began to threaten her: using a lot of "smut", calling her "fetching" and saying he "liked her attitude" on one hand and then threatening with comments like this: "this time I got you", you've got balls", "I'm going to report you to the admin", "you don't deserve a reply", and twisting comments about racial bias into accusations of racism, and attacking other peoples' English on one hand and then falsely complaining that others were attacking his English – and that was just last night, not to mention days of abuse from the same writer. The problem is that a group of people felt the topic directly involved them, suggesting that the topic was about one man, Mr. Hale, who lives in their local area, a man who was never named in the article above. But the irony is that those same people aggressively, quite rudely at times, demanded that all writers should comment on the article above, which never names anyone. And, although, they claimed the topic "impacted us all" they would not allow viewpoints beyond their own. Take a look at the related China Daily site which is filled with threats of violence, filled with people posing as each other and harassing those who tried to talk about something bigger than Mr. Hale. The question that brought many others to this discussion was: "do you think that the article above was intended to spark a discussion about Mr. Hale or about weak justice in China?" Had folks given a clear answer, those interested in talking about weak justice would have gone elsewhere. No clarifying answers were given and the confusion continued, a confusion about people who wanted to talk only about Mr. Hale compared to those who wanted to talk about the issues referred to in the article. This, what follows, is a very common example of how people have either misunderstood or purposefully attacked anyone who didn't want to talk only about Mr. Hale: " And yet, you say this, about the law here being not to foreigner's standards and about Hale's behavior and why we should try to understand it because of his standards? What a crock! Whomever you are, you lost my respect now for first plastering me with all those nonsense lectures and judgments and now reverting back to the master solhace account's original point. While I choose not to say whether I agree or disagree with this point, I am pleasantly surprised!". There is a lot of "smut" and anger and deep confusion about other peoples intentions in this comment. And sadly, the comment points to how some think it is "pleasant" to be angry online. Ironically, The comment iself seems to be an admission of evasiveness and refers to the way others have consistently made the same points, not getting involved in name calling and threats. And, although I have seen comments, from people who know Mr. Hale, which suggest we "should understand his behavior", the comments I have seen from Watchful or Solhace have referred to Mr. Hale's behavior in the context of crime, justice for crime, and seeking vengeance when justice is weak – those are the issues referred to in the aricle above and are issues that do "impact us all", Chinese and Foreigners.
Feb 06, 2013 14:42 Report Abuse
So, you have clarified, that if wasn't actually you who gave that advice here last night? Good. Thank you. My assessment is not at all one sided: have a look at the China Daily site -- that is one sided. Could you tell me the name of the other website you mentioned: are the folks there just local Dalian people, only discussing Mr. Hale or are they discussing the issues referred to in this article above? Do you think they are prepared to allow open viewpoints?
Feb 06, 2013 16:46 Report Abuse
Man, I have been watching the pages add up here. Guest 7816 Why don't you just answer the woman's questions? You are extremely boring. And yes, "fetching" in English means sexy, are you flirting with her. Watchful, just forget him, he's one of those.
Feb 06, 2013 00:27 Report Abuse
I know. I got tricked. Earlier he was apologizing to me and saying he liked my attitude. I even gave him my email address. Now he's got me worried. Now, he's gotten threatening. If he woul deven answer one questioin I would be less worried.
Feb 06, 2013 00:29 Report Abuse
ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. Yes, exactly. It it a fact that our culture has gotten us us to where we are now, good or bad, in any country. We expats need to be more careful about patronizing the present culture, because there are lots of Chinese out there who want to change the very things we may be patronizing. Culture is not real. It is a group of idea, defended or not, liked or not, politicized or not. But culture is just ideas, not real things. So when we identify a problem in our culture, such as corruption or tolerance of crime or racism all we need is the political will to change it and the changes can be made. It is a distraction to suggest we have to spend generations changing the culture. There are other problems, cutural problems that may take generations to change, such as the racial bias that results in racism. But if we stamp out the racism through Law and polical will, the racial bias will disappear much more quickly. In China, it is the culture to treat your friends lavishly, and it is often the 'culture' to tolerate and become involved in corruption so as to treat them and your family lavishly. If the LAW is enforced so as to stamp out the corruption, the culture will change much more quicker. But when there is a limit on who you can ask to follow the law, when there is a limit placed on the RULE OF LAW, there will always be a strong correlation betwen the limits placed on the law and the use of SPECIAL POWERS. RULE OF LAW means, no Special Power for anyone, from the lowlies illegal car parker to the highest of the corrupt. It is a smoke screen, and that smoke screen may be an intentional one, that so much time is spent talking about culture and difference between foreigners and Chinese. Perhaps some expats actually think they are doing the right thing by making these distinctions. Put in fact this is a sort of patronization. In the modern world today we should all know that if we have the correct political will to make changes culture will soon follow. Speaking out in defense of any culture as that culture appears today, in its' present form, as if the culture was a REAL THING happens when we forget that all cultures have changed. This speaking of culture as if it was a REAL THING is a part of cultural VENDING. In the future when China has greater RULE OF LAW -- as a result of people such as the best and brightest thinkers in China, the culture will have changed and no one is going to look back with meloncholy at the days when corruptions and weak justice were tolerated. People are afraid to change, that is normal . . . but change in China is a very politized issue. We expats need to be more careful about patronizing the present culture, because there are lots of Chinese out there who want to change the very things we may be patronizing.
Feb 05, 2013 14:53 Report Abuse
Guest7816 ASK: "the topic is about his crime, no?" My reply: First of all, it's hard to know if you mean "topic" or "issue". If you mean issue, then no . . . the issue, could never, by simply logic, be about one man's crime. Now, any "topic" ,any where, might be about Mr. Hale. But I have to ask you why that is useful. The only uesfeul discussion of Mr. Hale, would be to focus on the issue of weak justice, yes -- which is referred to in the article. Would it be useful to talk about differences between foreigners who commit crime and Chinese who do. No. Would it be useful to talk about Mr. Hale, just because some people know him and enjoy hammering and threatening each other over the his good or bad character. No, that's the sort of thing we call gossip and real "smut". LOL on day, GUEST 7816, you might look back and chuckle at yourself for calling my words, "smut" when you should really call your own words "smut." But if you think the topic should be Mr. Hale, why did you tell me to focus on articles that don't mention his name. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT MR. HALE. We all know that. But that isn' the topic of the articles. AND it isn't the issue of the topic that covers why the hackers hacked his websites, nor why people support the hackers. And talking about Mr. Hale or any one person's crime is not going ot explain why the young women feel they have to discusses their personal lives on the internet. You are clearly not seeing the forest (the issue or topic) because you are looking at a tree (one man). That's fine . . . but be honest about that. If you have come on line to discuss Mr. Hale. be honest about that. But stop telling others to focus on the articles, because they don't mention him. YOU TOLD ME to focus on the NEWS ARTCILES, which make no mention of Mr. Hale. YOU CALLED ME DISREPECTFUL and said I wasn't focusing on the news articles. Now you say the topic is about "his crime". You are being evasive, probably because your real problem with me is that you think I stole the show. But, oh no, you are not going to admit that. The common thread between what the unidentified man did, as reported in the news articles, and what the hackers did and what those who support the hackers did is that they all sought vengeance because they wanted justice in a society where justice is weak -- THE IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM that no one wants to talk about. The young women talking about their personal lives on line are likely also doing that because they want justice. But you guys, you folks who want to talk about inane details of Mr. Hale's life and who want to patronize the racial bias of some Chinese by making needless and harmful distinctions between Chinese people and Foreigners are neither talking about the issue or doing those young women any justice. Just answer the question: DO YOU THINK THE ARTICLES WERE INTENDED TO SPARK A DISCUSSION ABOUT ME. HALE OR ABOUT JUSTICE, and all will be clear. But, if you say the articles were intended to spark a discussion about Mr. Hale, then how can you avoid accepting that the articles were racially bias. Lots of Chinese are naive about these things, but we are not helping by getting involved in a discussion that promotes distinctions between foreigners and Chinese. Now, I personally, like to give people the benifit of my doubts. I like to think that the articles were about justice and it is only an unfortunate aspect of being naive that the writers used the word foreigner. But none the less, using that word plays into racial bias and we expats should stay to hell away from that. Just let is go and talk about the real issue, if you like. ANd that is weak justice.
Feb 05, 2013 14:52 Report Abuse
THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. (This is actually from my friend AGOG). The problem here is that no one wants to talk about the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. This morning, I and my wife, watched a broadcast of Dialogue on CCTV. The guest were: Professor Richard Hu, from Hong Kong University; Professor He JiaHong from Reming University in Beijing. They were all discussing new Chinese leader Xi JinPing's popular new metaphor for his efforts to attack corruption and weak justice in China. He says that corruptions and crime and bad behavior supported by culture have to be "put in a cage." That cage, says Professor He Jihong, will only work if the "rule of law" is allowed in China. Special power, agreed the professors, has to be put in a transparent gage of regulation. That regulation, they said, is the Rule of Law. Those "special powers" include use of corruption by public officials, but also the belief that one can do what one can get away with -- and that others are wrong if they complain. Parking one's car illegally is use of 'special power' -- China doesn't have room for all the cars that are here and so there is an immeidate contradiction between laws for drivers and owning the cultural value on owning a car. Using special power also includes the feeling that if oyu can't get Justice then, somehow, it becomes less 'uncultured' and illegal to hacking a criminal or seek justice in very public online forums. And all that use of special power, no matter if it is corruption or if it is misconceived attempts to seek justice occur more regularly in China because there is no Rule of Law. But even here, on the Dialogue program, not to mention on comments sites like this, no one really wants to talk about the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. Everyone continues to ask questions such as: how can Chinese culture accept the rule of law. These matters have nothing to do with culture, and in China that fact is a HUGE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. It is very challenging to actually get to the heart of corruption and crime in China because to do that you really have to remove CULURE and POLITICS from the equation. TO really get at corruption and crime you have to focus on people as PEOPLE, not as Chinese people or French People or American. Rule of Law has no culture. You can create laws that reflect cultural calues, as long as those are humane, but once the Law is made than the Law Rules. To really get at corruptions and crime you have to really focus on government, not Chinese stype government, not western style government, you have to be prepared to truly address problem with government. So, when there is a limit on how far good questions can go, the ELEPHANT STAYS IN THE ROOM The real issues of corruptions, crime, lack of RULE by LAW have to do with political will and issues of free elections and a determination to focus on real factors and staying away from racial bias, and east vs west discussions and discussions of culture. Defending and thinking my culture is right or yours is or his is often makes us act in uncultured ways: this was true for Mr. Hale, as it was true for the hackers, as it was true for those who support Mr. Hale, as it is true for jaywalkers in China who excuse their behavior by invoking their culture. The desire to separate ourselves from foreigners who break the law in China is as easy as staying away from those discussion, unless you are prepared to talk about the matter of weak justice which is an issue that does effect us all, Chinese and Foreigners. It is simply a misconceived notion that we foreigners must protect ourselves by publicly distancing ourselves from foreigners who break the law. Doing that only adds fuel to racial bias, because no matter our good intentions we would still be helping to create distinctions between foreigners who break the law and Chinese who break the law. Now, many people on this site don't even seem to see that the issue is about Justice, they are focusing on individuals, and what this person know and what that person knows and they are taking wrong headed approaches to dealing with racial bias and culture. Those folks are not even seeing the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, the elephant is invisible to them, and they are infact only muddying the waters.
Feb 05, 2013 01:30 Report Abuse
SOMEONE IS POSING AS ME ON THE CHINA DAILY SITE. I NEVER WROTE THIS : "As I have mentioned on the echinacities website, the young girls whom claim to have been attacked by Mr. Hale are making a big messy embarrassment of themselves. They have no proof and why should we accept their word over his? Crying wolf for better gain? Please! Who is going to believe them. Mr. Hale is a hero. He did what was right and there is no crime in the eyes of the peers. All of you should rightly join his website and thank him, maybe even take some lessons." I NEVER WROTE HIS COMMENT. SOMEONE IS HARRASSING ME AT THE CHINA DAILY SITE.
Feb 04, 2013 15:30 Report Abuse
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