‘Red Flags’ to Watch Out for When Working in China

 ‘Red Flags’ to Watch Out for When Working in China
Sep 15, 2015 By Danielle Martin , eChinacities.com

You’ve made the bold move and arrived in China. You apply for several jobs online and soon enough, an offer is sent your way. Seduced by the prospect of building a career in China and gaining a legal work visa, you eagerly accept. However, as you begin the painstaking process of switching to a work visa, you realise you may have been too hasty: the company suddenly confesses its inability to process to your visa. This situation is surprisingly common in China and as highlighted in this article, there are several ‘red flags’ to look out for when browsing through job adverts and negotiating with your future employer.

 ‘Red Flags’ to Watch Out for When Working in China
Photo: Jeremy

Visa deceptions

There are at least three companies I know of that can’t give the correct visas to foreigners in Hangzhou. The first one has its headquarters in Beijing and this is its only registered office. This famous, popular English language training school for adults has many branches across China; many people know of it. What most people don’t know is that since it only has one registered office, the visas it provides are only valid at their Beijing branch. If a school wants to trade legally, it must register each branch separately which is at a considerable cost to the company. So they cut corners. They register one branch, open more, and hire foreigners under the misconception that they can provide valid working (Z) visas. Don’t get me wrong, they can: but only at the registered branch. Ergo, as soon as you leave the province after obtaining the visa to then work in another branch, your visa is no longer valid and so effectively illegal.

The second school I know of is in the same vein as the first: it has its headquarters registered in Shanghai and so the visas it provides are valid only at the Shanghai branch of the school. As soon as you leave Shanghai, they are invalid.

The third school is through personal experience. I got a job there. Unbeknown to me at the time, companies are only allowed to hire foreigners if they have been trading for at least two years and they must prove that they have 1 million RMB in assets. The company I signed with had been trading for nine months and the problems arose as soon as I gave them my documents to process in order to renew my working visa. It soon became apparent that they had hired me illegally, were unable to process the paperwork and so I left. The above examples are just some of the legal issues foreigners encounter during their work life in China.

Questions you should clarify with an employer

1) Can you get me a working (Z) visa?
If the answer to this is anything other than an outright ‘yes’ then run. As fast as possible in the opposite direction! Any other visa type whilst working here is illegal in China. If you are residing here – or thinking of – and you have a job, then your employer is legally bound to provide the correct documents for you. If they make excuses, say it’s easier to process other visa types, or offer to get you a business (F), student (X) or tourist (L) visa, they are not a legitimate company. Under no circumstances should you consider working for them. The wider implications of this also means that as an employee you have no recourse should things go wrong. Foreigners have minimal ability to rectify any situations here on the mainland anyway, but without the correct visa type you have no leverage whatsoever. 

2) How long have you been trading?
A cursory internet search will no doubt answer this question, but if you would like further information then ask them outright. As mentioned above, if they have been open for less than two years they are not allowed to legally hire foreigners in any capacity.

3) How is the salary made up?
Is the amount offered in the advertisement the same as take-home pay? This means, are you going to be taxed? Tax ranges anywhere from a couple of hundred RMB to more than a thousand, depending on the salary and the tax bracket you’re in. You should also enquire as to whether the salary includes housing allowance or whether this is this given separately as an additional payment?

4) Holidays and days off
Do you receive any vacation days? If so, what and when are they? Are you entitled to take personal affairs leave or sick leave and is this paid? Most Chinese schools offer the statutory Chinese holidays to all of their employees. Anything more than this is usually not included and as such you risk taking any extra days unpaid. The only way to guarantee extra days off is to negotiate them into your contract. As for days off, when are they? Will you be entitled to one or two? Are they split or together? These are all small questions but become hugely important if you sign a contract and haven’t nailed down the specifics beforehand. The smallest things tend to become the most difficult to rectify at a later date if it’s not in black and white.

Typical advertisement

Let’s take this advertisement for a school in Hangzhou and read between the lines of what it is offering:

“Salary and Benefits for Full-time Teachers:
1. Monthly salary: 9000 RMB- 20000 RMB salary is commensurate with qualifications, with the ability to teach more periods for a higher salary.
2. Classes are usually 30-45 min.
3. Low office hours.
4. Sponsor Working Visa.”

The first huge red flag is the salary range: 9,000-20,000 RMB. This is highly unlikely given that there are no other schools in Hangzhou that pay 20,000 RMB a month. The only way a salary that high would be legitimate is if it were being advertised in one of the more expensive cities to live such as Beijing or Shanghai where salary is relative to living costs. However, even then this is an abnormally high amount. If this salary were indeed true, you should expect to be working unsociable hours, doing lots of preparation, taking VIP classes, participating in extra-curricular activities – basically justifying the high salary that they are paying you. There’s no such thing as a free lunch!  

The second red flag is the class time. Most classes are 50-55 minutes long. Anything shorter than this are normally counted as two periods being taught back-to-back. So for example, if the class is 40 or 45 minutes long, expect to be teaching 90 minutes with a five minute break in between. Is that acceptable to you? It doesn’t state this in the advertisement but effectively the class is 45 minutes long, it would more than likely have a five minute break and then continue for a further 45 minutes. So it’s not an outright lie, but it is bending the truth somewhat.

Low office hours: does this mean no office hours? One a day? Fixed schedule times? Or can you do your preparation time at home? The office hours expected varies from company to company but you should make sure that the requirements of these are crystal clear before signing your life away. Some schools are happy that you arrive in time for your scheduled teaching hours, do your job and then leave. However, some expect a required number of office hours in order to prepare for your classes. These are mandatory and are included in your working week.

These days we are seeing a dip in the salaries being negotiated for foreigners, especially at foreign language training schools.  In part this is down to the influx of foreign workers – there are more foreigners available to do the job and so schools can lower the salary expectations knowing that they can hire somebody who will accept the lower wage.

Another reason is the high number of non-native English speakers who are being recruited to teach English. Often these applicants are from European countries and “look the part”, but the schools use the excuse that they aren’t native speakers to pay them a lower salary. They then set a precedent by offering a lower wage which filters out across the board meaning the rest of the schools in the locale follow suit. Schools aren’t bothered about teachers’ credentials as much as how they fit in and boost their image.

Ultimately, when it comes to applying for a job in China go with your gut instinct if something doesn’t sound right. If you are continually being fobbed off or the goalposts keep moving in regard to contract terms and conditions, it’s a good bet that this is only the beginning. If things aren’t going smoothly from the off, don’t expect that they will get better once you’re an employee – they won’t. There are plenty of forums and helpful expats with sound knowledge of the local area that you’re applying to and who will answer any queries you may have about a potential employer: schools with bad reputations travel quickly amongst foreigners. Make sure you do your homework and start off on the right foot to land that dream job that you’ve always been waiting for.

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33 Comments

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Guest15381482
comment|75073|1709053

I once worked in a place that had an African teaching IELTS and a French man teaching English.

Mar 15, 2018 15:49 Report Abuse

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Judred1967
comment|74968|1661300

I do not understand why number of hours are questioned in China. In my country, a professional teacher has to teach a maximum of 6 hours a day. The remaining two hours are spread out as a vacant period, recess, or corridor duties. Then, teachers can go home but still do their jobs preparing their materials and check papers at home. Do professional teachers in Western countries such as the US, for example, have less teaching hours and are not required to stay in school for 8 hours? Teachers also enjoy paid summer vacation and Christmas break in my country. I know that the Chinese tend to ask for more than is required but then again, professional teachers outside China just don't show up for work to teach and then go home once their teaching hours are done. They are required to stay aside from participating in meetings, extracurricular activities and seminars. No wonder China changed its rules regarding foreign teachers to weed out the backpackers and whiners. Western schools will not hire unqualified foreigners who are clock watchers.

Jan 30, 2018 18:41 Report Abuse

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silverbutton1
comment|64910|227751

When the school charges $16,000 a year per student, makes bold claims from the chinese recruiter that their student WILL go to Harvard/Oxford/MIT/etc. and has a legit staff of 3 among 20 teachers. Know that the school may shut down in a moments notice...

Sep 21, 2015 08:56 Report Abuse

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umzung
comment|64884|1578984

You're right, stay away from said companies.

Sep 20, 2015 00:51 Report Abuse

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Justinrangel
comment|64783|1594600

I learned from experience

Sep 15, 2015 22:12 Report Abuse

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guest55555
comment|64777|253950

They're recycling these now? I remember reading this article some time ago. Lame.

Sep 15, 2015 18:45 Report Abuse

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rasklnik
comment|64759|61824

Personally you should work for a university or a high school directly...anybody else is going to work you too hard or cheat you...been doing this 7 years...

Sep 15, 2015 10:11 Report Abuse

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nzteacher80
comment|64761|270608

I'm working for a training centre and I get paid really well with nice free accomodation and other bonuses. I don't do many teaching hours and I get quite reasonable holidays. I've heard that universities don't often pay above 8,000 a (edit) month - I wouldn't get out of bed for anything less than 13,000.

Sep 15, 2015 11:38 Report Abuse

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Spiderboenz
comment|64775|98319

so... no less than 52,000 a month? I am impressed.

Sep 15, 2015 17:35 Report Abuse

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Guest388182
comment|64756|43131

ho hum, job...

Sep 15, 2015 06:17 Report Abuse

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Guest14311738
comment|61775|1590193

really helpful, thanks!

Jun 21, 2015 00:42 Report Abuse

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WCG
comment|47562|66925

The salary: Many companies (Hamp and sons) flat lie to you about the salary and later tell you that you are being paid per class and not a flat salary. Other companies disguise their scams by breaking the salary into these convoluted sub-categories that will not be paid to you unless you meet certain criteria (Met and ens). The best way to understand how your salary is calculated is to give them an example. "If I'm scheduled for 80 classes, but 30 of them cancel because of a holiday, then what is my salary?" "If I work 20 classes per week, I get the base salary of 5000 rmb no matter what, correct? So, if I work 60 classes, then how much...?" You get the point. If they won't give you an explicit number, then don't sign.

Jun 16, 2014 10:51 Report Abuse

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adventuregallery
comment|47522|293688

Great article. Thank you!

Jun 14, 2014 19:33 Report Abuse

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Guest2508756
comment|47448|278750

I hate those job adverts! People here will really not hire u if youre not pretty enough or whatever,,,, hate this

Jun 13, 2014 00:13 Report Abuse

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mdsearth
comment|47405|272875

I was employed by a well-known English learning centre in Foshan and later discovered that they had hired me illegally. They had no permit to hire foreign teachers. I was outraged when I found out. The local police found out and the obvious was done to keep it quiet.I resigned within a few months of finding this out as well as other abnormalities. The learning centre also make a habit of employing 95% local Chinese teachers to keep the costs down. So the students pay high tuition fees to learn poor English. I have worked at 3 different English learning centres in various parts of China and experienced the same lies, poor English tutoring and many awful foreign teachers in all of them. It isn't improving either.

Jun 12, 2014 12:20 Report Abuse

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As-if
comment|47343|293085

Really very helpful topic.. Such a great information you provided here. Thanks for sharing

Jun 11, 2014 08:10 Report Abuse

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bernhardtra
comment|47280|50847

I can't agree with all of this. I live and work in HZ and I do get paid more than 20,000, my classes are 40 minutes, not back to back for the same class (normally). I do have different classes during the next period. I don't have many office hours this year, but that is supposed to change next year as they want us to keep normal hours at the school. (I can't blame them in some ways, even back home teachers have to be there while the school is open, unless you teach at a college.) The reason I get paid so well is because I teach a specialized subject. I can see that if you taught only oral English it might be different. I have worked in China for almost 7 years and have been paid fairly well the entire time. I don't take low-ball offers, especially if the recruiter or HR manager says there will be opportunities later. In fact, if I hear there will be opportunities later, then I know they mean in another life, unless the statement comes from a foreigner. You do have to watch out for recruiters, many will tell you anything so they will get you hired.

Jun 09, 2014 18:38 Report Abuse

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adventuregallery
comment|47523|293688

>>In fact, if I hear there will be opportunities later, then I know they mean in another life,<< roflmao! :)

Jun 14, 2014 19:35 Report Abuse

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GaryJM
comment|47176|279742

I have been working in Shenyang now for over 5 years, i find some new schools are starting in the city, what i cannot understand is the new training schools are paying 100 RMB for one class hour part time work and 90 for contract, and they are a franchise, so they would have the backing of other schools, when the fact there is many training schools in Shenyang, the going pay is 150 to 300 Per hour. why would a new school that is a franchise be paying so little when the other franchise schools are paying from 160 up. 100 RMB for one hour is the pay you would expect to get 4 to 5 years ago. 99% of my friends would not get out of bed to work for any less than 200 one hour. and if you need to take a taxi to work and it cost you 30RMB to get to work each day it would give you a pitiful income. i read that some expect you to stay at the school for 40 to 50 hours a week and teach 25 hours. one week holiday a year and if you have to miss the class you get no pay but if you go to work and the students dont come you still get no pay and need to pay to get there. I would like A comment on this as if one of the no name schools i am speaking of is cheating people i like to know or we need to report them as they have adds on this web page. they dont offer a place to live for free.

Jun 06, 2014 00:11 Report Abuse

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tauney
comment|47152|72146

About the "working hours" bit, that's not necessarily true. In Guangxi province, all my classes have been between 35 minutes (public primary classes) and 1.5 hours (at my private training center). I had a real working visa at both jobs. The most common class length here is 40 minutes.

Jun 05, 2014 11:51 Report Abuse

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Guest2338024
comment|55096|259780

So true! Well done mate! That is exactly what I do with them, I run by the ''you get what you give'' motto. No time for non sense BS! Lol

Jan 26, 2015 13:38 Report Abuse

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deller91
comment|47074|290313

Cracking advice, cheers!

Jun 04, 2014 00:31 Report Abuse

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blaineholloway
comment|47070|99515

‘Red Flags’ to Watch Out for When Working in China? If the business is located in China, run for your life.

Jun 03, 2014 20:43 Report Abuse

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Guest2491918
comment|47048|276879

A friend of mine who has been living in China for over 10 years said to me one day: Sadly it is common. They will say yes yes yes to your face without even giving it a second thought and once your back is turn they will change the entire story or tell you it was a misunderstanding. My job was supposed to be training teachers in order to give the students the best possible education. Supposed to be 100% my way. Run as I saw fit with a free hand to help build the quality of the program. Instead boss now says forget about the crappy teachers and do promotional management, sales and marketing, international curriculum design, human resources and finance. By myself, and get it all done in 3 days a week. Also cancel my other good job with no notice and no extra pay anytime they choose. Here is an absolute joke. My visa expires next week and they are only just now starting the paperwork and don't understand why I am upset. Chinese business people here are all the same. Profit first, employees 10th. The Chinese government does not regulate business like they do back home.

Jun 03, 2014 09:06 Report Abuse

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GaryJM
comment|47174|279742

good comment

Jun 05, 2014 23:58 Report Abuse